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    Toyota Supra MKIV

    In July 1993, the fourth and so far last generation of the Supra came on the market. Internationally, this type is called " Supra MKIV ".

    Toyota Supra MKIII

    In early 1986, the third generation of the Supra was introduced. It is also the first that has not been marketed with the suffix Celica.

    Celica Supra (MK2)

    The second generation was presented in the fall of 1981 and had a completely independent drive with the new (170 hp) 6-cylinder engines.

    2000GT & Supra MK1

    The first Supra built from spring 1978 to summer 1981 was still offered as a top version of the Celica first in Japan and later in the United States.

    Abgasanlage 3\" vs 3,5\" - Test PHR | Forum

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    3-Inch Vs. 3.5-inch Exhaust Test - Tech

    Today, Bigger Is Always Better.
    January 19, 2011
    By Pablo Mazlumian
    Photography by Pablo Mazlumian

    For modified turbocharged cars pushing 300 to 600 whp, the most common exhaust size seems to be 3-inch. Some big-turbo cars use 4 inches at the expense of increased noise and decreased ground clearances, which is enough to deter many away from the larger-diameter piping. With piping sizing becoming more diverse, the option to go to a 3.5-inch diameter is now a viable choice. Experts say a 3-inch exhaust is fine for sub-800-whp levels like our Toyota Supra test car, but how much is being left on the table?
    While a half-inch may not sound like much, it equates to a 36 percent increase in volume, and we wanted to find out if there's actually a real-world difference. We also compared a 3.5-inch open dump wastegate system against our current 3-inch recirculated piping to see how well the additional flow would aid in reaching peak boost.

    3.5-inch Exhaust Test (Downpipe back)
    Modified by KC in Kansas City was kind enough to build our 3.5-inch exhaust and let us perform our testing on its Dynojet 424x, with pump fuel maps with methanol injection. Using 304 stainless tubing and a 3.5-inch, free-flow muffler (including a 5-inch tip from MagnaFlow), MKC fabricated the entire exhaust system from the existing 3-inch downpipe on the car.
    Once fired up, the new exhaust clearly displayed a deeper tone at idle, but thankfully, it was only marginally louder. We wanted to perform this first test without increasing downpipe size simply out of curiosity, but we weren't expecting significant gains.
    Our 3-inch exhaust baseline netted 527 whp at 19 psi. With the 3.5-inch exhaust, it climbed to 567 whp with a peak gain of 66 whp at 6000 rpm in fourth gear. At 29 psi, we went from a baseline of 699 to 740 whp. Peak gains here were 52 whp at 6100 rpm. The icing on the cake is the fact the turbo spools up a 150-200 rpm quicker with the larger-diameter exhaust.

    3.5-inch Downpipe Test (Full Exhaust)
    Fabricating a custom downpipe on a Supra with the engine still in the car is a tedious and costly job. And while there are a few outfits with 4-inch setups, 3.5-inch is almost nonexistent. Fortunately, our friends at Powerhouse Racing (PHR) in Texas sell a 3.5-inch downpipe and mid-pipe specifically for HKS-style manifolds, the same used on our SP turbo kit.
    The PHR system is sold complete with hardware and black Extreme 2000 HPC coating to cope with the heat. Each kit also includes a Toyota Oxygen sensor two-bolt flange and wideband sensor bung with ceramic coating and V-band flanges. Since it is a true 3.5-inch system and our turbocharger's housing exit is 3-inch, MKC fit an inch-long 3.0- to 3.5-inch "step-up" with 3-inch V-band to fit the turbo housing.
    With the short bottleneck still at the turbo exit, our expectations weren't optimistic - once again, we were pleasantly surprised. Although gains didn't start until the exhaust was flowing at least 500 whp, at 19psi we hit 610 whp with a peak gain of 52 whp at 7000 rpm from the downpipe alone. Compared to our baseline, at this boost setting, the entire exhaust system is netting a whopping 103-whp gain!

    Setting the boost back up to 29 psi, the larger 3.5-inch system started to expose the octane limits of our engine with pump fuel still coursing through its veins. At 764 whp, the AEM EMS pulled a couple of degrees of timing up top, limiting the gains to 30 whp at 6100 rpm. Still, compared to our first baseline, our total gain was now up to 70 whp at 6100 rpm with the full 3.5-inch exhaust. With a couple gallons of race fuel in the mix, surely we could have clipped the 775-whp mark.
    While many turbo cars out there use 3-inch exhausts, we've proven that a hefty amount of horses are left in the stable when doing so. In fact, with just the 3.5-inch rear section, 20-whp gains started as low as at the 300-whp level and kept climbing. With PHR's downpipe, those gains mattered more at 500 whp.

    If there is one drawback, the new system is significantly louder during cruising with the MagnaFlow muffler. However, MagnaFlow does sell a small 3.5-inch resonator that would further reduce sound decibels if added. At wide-open throttle, the car isn't a whole lot louder, even with our open dump pipe. It's simply deeper and way more menacing.
    With a better sound, more power and a quicker spool up, it's safe to say the move to 3.5-inch piping is a worthwhile modification to this Supra, and we'd expect it to help most other large turbo cars in this power range as well.

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    The 3-inch exhaust (left) versus the MKC/MagnaFlow 3.5-inch system (right). This
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